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So will there be anything else ??????
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Tony
2008-04-09 01:50:56 UTC
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Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable

tony
Nic
2008-04-09 02:24:24 UTC
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Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
Good question. But, Genesis could not possibly make as good of music as they
did in the 70's, compared to the band that is.... UNIFAUN. Check them out on
my space.
http://www.myspace.com/sylvanandbonamici

The album they are about to release is like the follow up to Trick of the
Tail and Wind and Wuthering, with some images from The Lamb and Selling
England without the disappointment of And Then There Were Three. This is
better than the Phil Collins lead Genesis, as much as I am sad to say it, it
is true, it is REAL!

NC
Newsgroups
2008-04-09 02:55:15 UTC
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In other words, they're derivative as hell (intentionally) and don't quite
reach the level of Photos of Ghosts-era Strawbs (in fact, go out and get
that and Hero and Heroine before you even think of buying Unifaun). As for
"better than the Phil Collins lead Genesis," it doesn't remotely touch Trick
and Wind. They don't even really touch ATTW3, losing out in the areas of
musicianship and production value (yes, I said production value. ATTW3.
Really.)

Jim

ps Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun? <chortle> "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Post by Nic
Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
Good question. But, Genesis could not possibly make as good of music as
they did in the 70's, compared to the band that is.... UNIFAUN. Check them
out on my space.
http://www.myspace.com/sylvanandbonamici
The album they are about to release is like the follow up to Trick of the
Tail and Wind and Wuthering, with some images from The Lamb and Selling
England without the disappointment of And Then There Were Three. This is
better than the Phil Collins lead Genesis, as much as I am sad to say it,
it is true, it is REAL!
NC
Mark Rae
2008-04-09 09:31:13 UTC
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they're derivative as hell (intentionally)
it doesn't remotely touch Trick and Wind. They don't even really touch
ATTW3
I couldn't agree more!
Nic
2008-04-10 08:10:03 UTC
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In other words, they're derivative as hell (intentionally) and don't quite
reach the level of Photos of Ghosts-era Strawbs
Um, you must mean "Ghosts" by Strawbs. "Photos of Ghosts" was P.F.M. Still,
both albums I love, though I'm getting a lot more milage out of these
Unifaun tracks than either of those two albums lately.

(in fact, go out and get
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that and Hero and Heroine before you even think of buying Unifaun).
I bought all Strawbs releases in the 70's. I don't need to go out and get
them, I already have them. Problem is, I tend to only like an average of
maybe two songs on each Strawbs album. Cousins' insistance to play and sing
the lion's share of the songs while surrounded by great players always
bugged me. Today, there is no possible way that Cousins and any recent
Strawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun. Having said that, there are many
collective Strawbs moments that are dear to me. It's just patchy.

As for
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"better than the Phil Collins lead Genesis," it doesn't remotely touch
Trick and Wind.
Those Genesis albums are the treasure that lead to the idea. They may be my
favorite two Genesis albums. But the feeling I get when listening to the
Unifaun tracks is really identical and I can't help but think that this is
what Genesis should have done after those albums but instead we got And Then
There Were Three and a band without a regular guitar player without Hackett.

They don't even really touch ATTW3, losing out in the areas of
Post by Newsgroups
musicianship and production value (yes, I said production value. ATTW3.
Really.)
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference. And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No
Hackett, very little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of
Genesis, and an over abundance or reverb and effects. The songs on this
Genesis album were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a hit
record, which they got. This was the beginning of Genesis whoring their
talents out to commercialism. Genesis ATTW3 cannot even come close to the
respectful and beautiful attempt made by Unifaun to represent what Genesis
could have done if they remained with Hackett, and maybe even Gabriel. ATTW3
is one of the worst Genesis albums of the 70's, while Duke was an
improvement, but only slightly. Unifaun is better than anything Genesis did
after W&W. I love Genesis, and I find great moments from all the records,
but Unifaun should be appreciated because they are doing adventurous music
and risky too, while Genesis is doing nothing but playing live for the first
time in a decade and a half.
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Jim
ps Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun? <chortle> "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Invisible Touch?

I don't bother either. Get over your bias and just listen to good music. You
might enjoy it. Give it a chance. I have nothing to gain by trumpeting
Unifaun here. I stumbled upon them on myspace, and I am simply blown away
and want to share it. It's great to listen to "Cinema Show" or the "Musical
Box" or even "Mama", but, if there is a band adding new music to this world
that Genesis fans might embrace, then why not compliment it? But then, you
could always ignor it and just limit yourself to Abacab.

NC
Newsgroups
2008-04-10 15:23:08 UTC
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Post by Nic
Um, you must mean "Ghosts" by Strawbs. "Photos of Ghosts" was P.F.M.
You're right, of course.

Still,
Post by Nic
both albums I love, though I'm getting a lot more milage out of these
Unifaun tracks than either of those two albums lately.
The attraction of novelty, perhaps?
Post by Nic
I bought all Strawbs releases in the 70's. I don't need to go out and get
them, I already have them.
I wasn't really addressing you. I was adding my two cents to your
recommendation to others who were looking for something to whet that old
Genesis whistle.

Problem is, I tend to only like an average of
Post by Nic
maybe two songs on each Strawbs album. Cousins' insistance to play and
sing the lion's share of the songs while surrounded by great players
always bugged me.
I thought the uninspired mediocre blues-based guitarist that kept the band
from really soaring was actually the other guy?

Today, there is no possible way that Cousins and any recent
Post by Nic
Strawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun.
That may be the case. I haven't heard a recent Strawbs lineup. Nor would I
recommend all old Strawbs album. Some were wholly unimpressive.

Having said that, there are many
Post by Nic
collective Strawbs moments that are dear to me. It's just patchy.
It is.
Post by Nic
Those Genesis albums are the treasure that lead to the idea. They may be
my favorite two Genesis albums. But the feeling I get when listening to
the Unifaun tracks is really identical and I can't help but think that
this is what Genesis should have done after those albums but instead we
got And Then There Were Three and a band without a regular guitar player
without Hackett.
It's good you've found something that works for you. It does nothing at all
for me, unfortunately.
Post by Nic
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference.
Digital vs analog?
Post by Nic
And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No Hackett, very
little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of Genesis, and an
over abundance or reverb and effects.
Although lack of Hackett and acoustic textures don't really fall under the
heading of production value, the production flaws with ATTW3 are well-known
and generally accepted. My opinion is that the latest Unifaun is
substantially worse.

The songs on this
Post by Nic
Genesis album were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record, which they got.
The songs on WCD were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record. The songs on ATTW3 were actually quite vibrant and exploratory
from a band who had never ventured into this realm before. As for hitting
that target, I'm one who wholly agrees the shaft flew well wide of the mark,
but "going through the motions" hardly describes it.
Post by Nic
This was the beginning of Genesis whoring their talents out to
commercialism.
And Unifaun isn't whoring after old Genesis fans? Isn't that rather like
licking up their sloppy seconds?

Ok, I'll leave off this argument, as it's entirely unproductive. The whole
"Genesis whoring" idea is as ludicrous as it's ever been. Our favorite band
left us behind a long time ago. It's time to get over it. But that aside,
it's simply irrelevant to a side by side music comparison. They might have
all been shagging babies at the time, it won't make ATTW3 worse than
Unifaun.

Genesis ATTW3 cannot even come close to the
Post by Nic
respectful and beautiful attempt made by Unifaun to represent what Genesis
could have done if they remained with Hackett, and maybe even Gabriel.
Highlight the word "attempt." Another band's shot goes wide of the mark.
Many might argue the point of wandering about playing the role of dead
band's ghost, but even if one applauds that sort of thing, Unifaun makes a
poor ghost. The quality in songwriting and musicianship just don't hold a
candle. I'll offer that's just my opinion, of course. It's not a wrong or
right sort of discussion. I'm just that buzzkill guy in the background
telling folks "don't get your hopes up."

ATTW3
Post by Nic
is one of the worst Genesis albums of the 70's,
Yes, it was. I actually prefer FGTR. But it's better than Unifaun, imho.
Post by Nic
Unifaun is better than anything Genesis did after W&W.
I disagree fervently. It does, however, use sounds that Genesis largely
abandoned after Wind.

I love Genesis, and I find great moments from all the records,
Post by Nic
but Unifaun should be appreciated because they are doing adventurous music
and risky too, while Genesis is doing nothing but playing live for the
first time in a decade and a half.
This argument boils down to "Unifaun is good because Genesis isn't giving us
what we want." Unifaun isn't any better for Genesis being a bunch of tired
old men.
Post by Nic
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ps Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun? <chortle> "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Invisible Touch?
I don't bother either. Get over your bias and just listen to good music.
Eh? Not sure what you're getting at. I don't even own Invisible Touch. I
used to have a copy for completion sake, but somebody stole it, along with
Face Value, back in about 1988. I've bothered to replace neither. But
they're both better than Unifaun.

You
Post by Nic
might enjoy it. Give it a chance.
I listened to all the pieces they had posted on that myspace page you
mentioned. My reaction is as I have described.

I have nothing to gain by trumpeting
Post by Nic
Unifaun here.
Of course not. You want to share your joy, and that's admirable. I'm
sharing my lack of joy over the same issue. I don't know if that's
admirable, but it's at least informative.

I stumbled upon them on myspace, and I am simply blown away
Post by Nic
and want to share it.
Of course. But if you're just coming to Unifaun, I'm wondering if this
music will have any staying power with you. Listen to them over and over
the way you did Trick when you first got it, then come back in six months
and tell me if it holds up.

It's great to listen to "Cinema Show" or the "Musical
Post by Nic
Box" or even "Mama", but, if there is a band adding new music to this
world that Genesis fans might embrace, then why not compliment it?
I surely would, were it worthy of such. I can compliment the effort. Just
not the result.

But then, you
Post by Nic
could always ignore it and just limit yourself to Abacab.
Thanks for the chuckle, Nicky. There's another shaft gone wide. (and not
in a good way... ar ar ar)

Jim
progea
2008-04-11 13:56:11 UTC
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[...]
Post by Nic
Strawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun.
That may be the case.  I haven't heard a recent Strawbs lineup.
I saw Acoustic Strawbs (Cousins, Cronk, Lambert) in Oakville, ON Oct.
05. Lambert also played bodhran. Nic may be subjective with this
comparison.
MACK DADDY
2008-04-18 01:56:55 UTC
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Post by Nic
Um, you must mean "Ghosts" by Strawbs. "Photos of Ghosts" was P.F.M.
You're right, of course.
 Still,
Post by Nic
both albums I love, though I'm getting a lot more milage out of these
Unifaun tracks than either of those two albums lately.
The attraction of novelty, perhaps?
Post by Nic
I bought all Strawbs releases in the 70's. I don't need to go out and get
them, I already have them.
I wasn't really addressing you.  I was adding my two cents to your
recommendation to others who were looking for something to whet that old
Genesis whistle.
 Problem is, I tend to only like an average of
Post by Nic
maybe two songs on each Strawbs album. Cousins' insistance to play and
sing the lion's share of the songs while surrounded by great players
always bugged me.
I thought the uninspired mediocre blues-based guitarist that kept the band
from really soaring was actually the other guy?
 Today, there is no possible way that Cousins and any recent
Post by Nic
Strawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun.
That may be the case.  I haven't heard a recent Strawbs lineup.  Nor would I
recommend all old Strawbs album.  Some were wholly unimpressive.
 Having said that, there are many
Post by Nic
collective Strawbs moments that are dear to me. It's just patchy.
It is.
Post by Nic
Those Genesis albums are the treasure that lead to the idea. They may be
my favorite two Genesis albums. But the feeling I get when listening to
the Unifaun tracks is really identical and I can't help but think that
this is what Genesis should have done after those albums but instead we
got And Then There Were Three and a band without a regular guitar player
without Hackett.
It's good you've found something that works for you.  It does nothing at all
for me, unfortunately.
Post by Nic
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference.
Digital vs analog?
Post by Nic
And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No Hackett, very
little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of Genesis, and an
over abundance or reverb and effects.
Although lack of Hackett and acoustic textures don't really fall under the
heading of production value, the production flaws with ATTW3 are well-known
and generally accepted.  My opinion is that the latest Unifaun is
substantially worse.
 The songs on this
Post by Nic
Genesis album were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record, which they got.
The songs on WCD were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record.  The songs on ATTW3 were actually quite vibrant and exploratory
from a band who had never ventured into this realm before.  As for hitting
that target, I'm one who wholly agrees the shaft flew well wide of the mark,
but "going through the motions" hardly describes it.
Post by Nic
This was the beginning of Genesis whoring their talents out to
commercialism.
And Unifaun isn't whoring after old Genesis fans?  Isn't that rather like
licking up their sloppy seconds?
Ok, I'll leave off this argument, as it's entirely unproductive.  The whole
"Genesis whoring" idea is as ludicrous as it's ever been.  Our favorite band
left us behind a long time ago.  It's time to get over it.  But that aside,
it's simply irrelevant to a side by side music comparison.  They might have
all been shagging babies at the time, it won't make ATTW3 worse than
Unifaun.
 Genesis ATTW3 cannot even come close to the
Post by Nic
respectful and beautiful attempt made by Unifaun to represent what Genesis
could have done if they remained with Hackett, and maybe even Gabriel.
Highlight the word "attempt."  Another band's shot goes wide of the mark.
Many might argue the point of wandering about playing the role of dead
band's ghost, but even if one applauds that sort of thing, Unifaun makes a
poor ghost.  The quality in songwriting and musicianship just don't hold a
candle.  I'll offer that's just my opinion, of course.  It's not a wrong or
right sort of discussion.  I'm just that buzzkill guy in the background
telling folks "don't get your hopes up."
ATTW3
Post by Nic
is one of the worst Genesis albums of the 70's,
Yes, it was.  I actually prefer FGTR.  But it's better than Unifaun, imho.
Post by Nic
Unifaun is better than anything Genesis did after W&W.
I disagree fervently.  It does, however, use sounds that Genesis largely
abandoned after Wind.
 I love Genesis, and I find great moments from all the records,
Post by Nic
but Unifaun should be appreciated because they are doing adventurous music
and risky too, while Genesis is doing nothing but playing live for the
first time in a decade and a half.
This argument boils down to "Unifaun is good because Genesis isn't giving us
what we want."  Unifaun isn't any better for Genesis being a bunch of tired
old men.
Post by Nic
ps  Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun?  <chortle>  "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Invisible Touch?
I don't bother either. Get over your bias and just listen to good music.
Eh?  Not sure what you're getting at.  I don't even own Invisible Touch.  I
used to have a copy for completion sake, but somebody stole it, along with
Face Value, back in about 1988.  I've bothered to replace neither.  But
they're both better than Unifaun.
 You
Post by Nic
might enjoy it. Give it a chance.
I listened to all the pieces they had posted on that myspace page you
mentioned.  My reaction is as I have described.
 I have nothing to gain by trumpeting
Post by Nic
Unifaun here.
Of course not.  You want to share your joy, and that's admirable.  I'm
sharing my lack of joy over the same issue.  I don't know if that's
admirable, but it's at least informative.
 I stumbled upon them on myspace, and I am simply blown away
Post by Nic
and want to share it.
Of course.  But if you're just coming to Unifaun, I'm wondering if this
music will have any staying power with you.  Listen to them over and over
the way you did Trick when you first got it, then come back in six months
and tell me if it holds up.
 It's great to listen to "Cinema Show" or the "Musical
Post by Nic
Box" or even "Mama", but, if there is a band adding new music to this
world that Genesis fans might embrace, then why not compliment it?
I surely would, were it worthy of such.  I can compliment the effort.  Just
not the result.
 But then, you
Post by Nic
could always ignore it and just limit yourself to Abacab.
Thanks for the chuckle, Nicky.  There's another shaft gone wide.  (and not
in a good way... ar ar ar)
Jim
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What do you mean Genesis didn't have a guitar player after ATTW3?
Mike Rutherford is a guitar player. And on the road they were
augmented by the talented Daryl Steurmer.
Mark Rae
2008-04-18 08:56:25 UTC
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And on the road they were augmented by the talented Daryl Steurmer.
Yep - no-one could play the Firth of Fifth solo quite like he did...
Covenant
2008-04-18 21:10:48 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
And on the road they were augmented by the talented Daryl Steurmer.
Yep - no-one could play the Firth of Fifth solo quite like he did...
Yeah... not quite.... ;' )
--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
Nic
2008-04-19 00:37:49 UTC
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Post by Nic
Um, you must mean "Ghosts" by Strawbs. "Photos of Ghosts" was P.F.M.
You're right, of course.
Still,
Post by Nic
both albums I love, though I'm getting a lot more milage out of these
Unifaun tracks than either of those two albums lately.
The attraction of novelty, perhaps?
Post by Nic
I bought all Strawbs releases in the 70's. I don't need to go out and get
them, I already have them.
I wasn't really addressing you. I was adding my two cents to your
recommendation to others who were looking for something to whet that old
Genesis whistle.
Problem is, I tend to only like an average of
Post by Nic
maybe two songs on each Strawbs album. Cousins' insistance to play and
sing the lion's share of the songs while surrounded by great players
always bugged me.
I thought the uninspired mediocre blues-based guitarist that kept the band
from really soaring was actually the other guy?
Today, there is no possible way that Cousins and any recent
Post by Nic
Strawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun.
That may be the case. I haven't heard a recent Strawbs lineup. Nor would I
recommend all old Strawbs album. Some were wholly unimpressive.
Having said that, there are many
Post by Nic
collective Strawbs moments that are dear to me. It's just patchy.
It is.
Post by Nic
Those Genesis albums are the treasure that lead to the idea. They may be
my favorite two Genesis albums. But the feeling I get when listening to
the Unifaun tracks is really identical and I can't help but think that
this is what Genesis should have done after those albums but instead we
got And Then There Were Three and a band without a regular guitar player
without Hackett.
It's good you've found something that works for you. It does nothing at
all
for me, unfortunately.
Post by Nic
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference.
Digital vs analog?
Post by Nic
And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No Hackett, very
little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of Genesis, and an
over abundance or reverb and effects.
Although lack of Hackett and acoustic textures don't really fall under the
heading of production value, the production flaws with ATTW3 are well-known
and generally accepted. My opinion is that the latest Unifaun is
substantially worse.
The songs on this
Post by Nic
Genesis album were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record, which they got.
The songs on WCD were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record. The songs on ATTW3 were actually quite vibrant and exploratory
from a band who had never ventured into this realm before. As for hitting
that target, I'm one who wholly agrees the shaft flew well wide of the mark,
but "going through the motions" hardly describes it.
Post by Nic
This was the beginning of Genesis whoring their talents out to
commercialism.
And Unifaun isn't whoring after old Genesis fans? Isn't that rather like
licking up their sloppy seconds?
Ok, I'll leave off this argument, as it's entirely unproductive. The whole
"Genesis whoring" idea is as ludicrous as it's ever been. Our favorite
band
left us behind a long time ago. It's time to get over it. But that aside,
it's simply irrelevant to a side by side music comparison. They might have
all been shagging babies at the time, it won't make ATTW3 worse than
Unifaun.
Genesis ATTW3 cannot even come close to the
Post by Nic
respectful and beautiful attempt made by Unifaun to represent what Genesis
could have done if they remained with Hackett, and maybe even Gabriel.
Highlight the word "attempt." Another band's shot goes wide of the mark.
Many might argue the point of wandering about playing the role of dead
band's ghost, but even if one applauds that sort of thing, Unifaun makes a
poor ghost. The quality in songwriting and musicianship just don't hold a
candle. I'll offer that's just my opinion, of course. It's not a wrong or
right sort of discussion. I'm just that buzzkill guy in the background
telling folks "don't get your hopes up."
ATTW3
Post by Nic
is one of the worst Genesis albums of the 70's,
Yes, it was. I actually prefer FGTR. But it's better than Unifaun, imho.
Post by Nic
Unifaun is better than anything Genesis did after W&W.
I disagree fervently. It does, however, use sounds that Genesis largely
abandoned after Wind.
I love Genesis, and I find great moments from all the records,
Post by Nic
but Unifaun should be appreciated because they are doing adventurous music
and risky too, while Genesis is doing nothing but playing live for the
first time in a decade and a half.
This argument boils down to "Unifaun is good because Genesis isn't giving us
what we want." Unifaun isn't any better for Genesis being a bunch of tired
old men.
Post by Nic
ps Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun? <chortle> "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Invisible Touch?
I don't bother either. Get over your bias and just listen to good music.
Eh? Not sure what you're getting at. I don't even own Invisible Touch. I
used to have a copy for completion sake, but somebody stole it, along with
Face Value, back in about 1988. I've bothered to replace neither. But
they're both better than Unifaun.
You
Post by Nic
might enjoy it. Give it a chance.
I listened to all the pieces they had posted on that myspace page you
mentioned. My reaction is as I have described.
I have nothing to gain by trumpeting
Post by Nic
Unifaun here.
Of course not. You want to share your joy, and that's admirable. I'm
sharing my lack of joy over the same issue. I don't know if that's
admirable, but it's at least informative.
I stumbled upon them on myspace, and I am simply blown away
Post by Nic
and want to share it.
Of course. But if you're just coming to Unifaun, I'm wondering if this
music will have any staying power with you. Listen to them over and over
the way you did Trick when you first got it, then come back in six months
and tell me if it holds up.
It's great to listen to "Cinema Show" or the "Musical
Post by Nic
Box" or even "Mama", but, if there is a band adding new music to this
world that Genesis fans might embrace, then why not compliment it?
I surely would, were it worthy of such. I can compliment the effort. Just
not the result.
But then, you
Post by Nic
could always ignore it and just limit yourself to Abacab.
Thanks for the chuckle, Nicky. There's another shaft gone wide. (and not
in a good way... ar ar ar)
Jim
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What do you mean Genesis didn't have a guitar player after ATTW3?
Mike Rutherford is a guitar player. And on the road they were
augmented by the talented Daryl Steurmer.

---

Nope, they didn't have a guitar player after Hackett. They had a bass player
trying to fill the parts and a jazz guitarist pretending to fill the parts
on tour. That was no GOOD ENOUGH, not when the band had such an incredible
talent as Hackett, and that's exactly why Genesis was much better when they
had Hackett as opposed to being without him.

NC
DAVID RHEAULT
2008-04-13 19:41:50 UTC
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Post by Nic
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference. And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No
Hackett, very little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of
Genesis, and an over abundance or reverb and effects.
I too am enjoying those Unifaun tracks. They are available as downloads on
soundclick.com. The band itself says it is working in "Genesis soundscapes."
As such, the tracks are a marvelous extension of Trick and Wind ideas with a
couple throwbacks (as you've said) to Selling England and The Lamb. It's
great fun and done practically better than anyone ever tried in the UK or
the US.

AFAIK, there are only seven tracks right now and they are all produced in a
home studio. So it's not quite fair for those who compare the production
values of the tracks with the time when ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic (a
major label). Sylvan and Bonamici are clearly studio wizards with a great
mastery of authentic instrumentation. They have many of the tools at their
fingertips but a major label studio would probably have more. I think those
guys were looking for a label to release the tracks on in CD form. They did
a great job with studio resources at hand. Anyone who doesn't like the
tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!


dcr
Newsgroups
2008-04-13 20:00:53 UTC
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Anyone who doesn't like the tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!
You're dead wrong there.

Jim

ps and anybody who doesn't like Mellencamp isn't a Springsteen fan either,
right? ;-)
Mark Rae
2008-04-13 22:56:45 UTC
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Post by Newsgroups
Anyone who doesn't like the tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!
You're dead wrong there.
Agreed.
Post by Newsgroups
ps and anybody who doesn't like Mellencamp isn't a Springsteen fan either,
right? ;-)
What if you don't like Springsteen or Mellencamp...?
Newsgroups
2008-04-14 03:54:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
Post by Newsgroups
Anyone who doesn't like the tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!
You're dead wrong there.
Agreed.
Post by Newsgroups
ps and anybody who doesn't like Mellencamp isn't a Springsteen fan
either, right? ;-)
What if you don't like Springsteen or Mellencamp...?
Then there is only Unifaun. Nothing else.

Jim
Mark Rae
2008-04-14 08:28:26 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
What if you don't like Springsteen or Mellencamp...?
Then there is only Unifaun. Nothing else.
Best give up, then...
Scotto of www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com
2008-04-24 16:09:09 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
What if you don't like Springsteen or Mellencamp...?
Then you have good taste, or don't like to buy Chevy trucks.
Nic
2008-04-14 15:16:42 UTC
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Post by Newsgroups
Anyone who doesn't like the tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!
You're dead wrong there.
Jim
ps and anybody who doesn't like Mellencamp isn't a Springsteen fan either,
right? ;-)
I own "Born To Run" and a couple other tunes on my i-tunes by BS. Thunder
Road clicked with me after 9/11 when I heard that BS recorded a home video
of him playing it for a widow of a 9/11 victim and it friggin' made me cry
when I saw the video on TV. Then there's "Drive All Night"(The River) the
song from the Adam Sandler film, "Reign On Me", and in the emotional scene
in the film that too friggin' made me cry!

Mellencamp... well, the fact that he's popular can tear me up. I own nothing
by him.

NC
Steve Turner
2008-04-14 16:35:04 UTC
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Post by Nic
Mellencamp... well, the fact that he's popular can tear me up. I own nothing
by him.
John Couger Menstrual-cramp, I call him...
--
"Here Sarge, let me show you a picture of my wife."
"Ah, she's a bit ugly though, isn't she Sir?"
"Umm, ugly, Sarge?"
"Yes Sir. As in 'not attractive to men' Sir."

To reply, eat the taco.
Mark Rae
2008-04-13 22:55:20 UTC
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ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic
Atlantic clearly didn't pay for the recording of ATTWT, or any other Genesis
album - they were merely the label that Charisma / Virgin used to release
their product in the US...
Newsgroups
2008-04-14 03:55:08 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
Post by DAVID RHEAULT
ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic
Atlantic clearly didn't pay for the recording of ATTWT, or any other
Genesis album - they were merely the label that Charisma / Virgin used to
release their product in the US...
You take candy from babies too, don't you, Mark? :-)

Jim
Mark Rae
2008-04-14 08:29:10 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
Post by DAVID RHEAULT
ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic
Atlantic clearly didn't pay for the recording of ATTWT, or any other
Genesis album - they were merely the label that Charisma / Virgin used to
release their product in the US...
You take candy from babies too, don't you, Mark? :-)
Only if they shouldn't have it in the first place...
progea
2008-04-14 15:00:19 UTC
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You take candy from babies too, don't you, Mark?  :-)
This is Mr. Bean-ism, guys...
Nic
2008-04-14 15:19:23 UTC
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Post by Mark Rae
Post by DAVID RHEAULT
ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic
Atlantic clearly didn't pay for the recording of ATTWT, or any other
Genesis album - they were merely the label that Charisma / Virgin used to
release their product in the US...
I think what was meant was that Genesis had a major label that would finance
the studio costs of Genesis recordings. You could bet that Atlantic advanced
some money towards that end to get the rights the albums.


Nic
Nic
2008-04-14 15:11:37 UTC
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Post by Nic
I MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30
years difference. And Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of
things: No Hackett, very little acoustic textures as was the prior
trademark of Genesis, and an over abundance or reverb and effects.
I too am enjoying those Unifaun tracks. They are available as downloads on
soundclick.com. The band itself says it is working in "Genesis
soundscapes." As such, the tracks are a marvelous extension of Trick and
Wind ideas with a couple throwbacks (as you've said) to Selling England
and The Lamb. It's great fun and done practically better than anyone ever
tried in the UK or the US.
AFAIK, there are only seven tracks right now and they are all produced in
a home studio. So it's not quite fair for those who compare the production
values of the tracks with the time when ATTWT was paid for by Atlantic (a
major label). Sylvan and Bonamici are clearly studio wizards with a great
mastery of authentic instrumentation. They have many of the tools at their
fingertips but a major label studio would probably have more. I think
those guys were looking for a label to release the tracks on in CD form.
They did a great job with studio resources at hand. Anyone who doesn't
like the tracks is just not a mid-period Genesis fan!
dcr
The Unifaun album comes out in Sweden on June 28 on Progress Records. The CD
should have some normal distribution in America as well. I have suggested
CDBaby as a resource.

I have become friendly with Nad Sylvan, the singer, and have traded several
e-mails and have had a couple of long conversations with him. He's a great
guy with a great taste for a variety of music. Here is a YouTube video he
directed me to where he sings one of his own songs called "Black Sheep"
pre-Unifaun. Nad introduces it saying "think Abba meets Peter Gabriel"!


AFAIK, as you mention, the Unifaun album will have the seven tracks. There
are two more tracks they recorded that may not make it to the album. I have
a feeling that if "newsgroup" Jim heard the tracks on a good home stereo
rather than myspace playbacks, especially the epic "Quest For The Last
Virtue"(13:58) he just might come 'round and like it. I mean, what is there
to not like? It's brilliant!

Nic
Newsgroups
2008-04-15 16:14:11 UTC
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I have a feeling that if "newsgroup" Jim heard the tracks on a good home
stereo rather than myspace playbacks, especially the epic "Quest For The
Last Virtue"(13:58) he just might come 'round and like it.
That might even be true, were I one of those who couldn't hear the quality
of the music through the quality of the sound reinforcement.

I'm not.

Jim
Michael A. Clem
2008-04-15 22:37:42 UTC
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Nic wrote:
I mean, what is there
Post by Nic
to not like? It's brilliant!
Nic
Good? Yes. Brilliant? I think you're letting your enthusiasm for
Unifaun get the better of you.

I finally got around to listening to their tracks (not so easy when
you're only on dial-up). And I must admit that they do a decent job of
capturing the Genesis sound. That in itself is enough to make it
worthwhile for me. I'd rather listen to Unifaun over a lot of modern
stuff that comes out, nowadays.

But they're hardly "brilliant", especially where the lyrics are
concerned. I have my doubts about anybody really capturing the
quirkiness of PG lyrics or even the odd shadings of Tony Banks' lyrics.
Furthermore, even if the band not turned towards top 40 pop/rock
style music, I doubt that they would have continued in exactly the same
mold as Unifaun is trying to do.

So, I like Unifaun, and I'll probably get the cd when it comes out.
They're better musicians than I am (although I'm not sure that's saying
too much), and I hope they keep making music for a long time. But let's
not get too carried away, shall we?
Godolphin&fellow
2008-04-28 03:02:32 UTC
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On Apr 15, 6:37 pm, "Michael A. Clem" <macsnafuatintergatedotcom>
Post by Nic
I mean, what is there
Post by Nic
to not like? It's brilliant!
Nic
Good? Yes. Brilliant? I think you're letting your enthusiasm for
Unifaun get the better of you.
I finally got around to listening to their tracks (not so easy when
you're only on dial-up). And I must admit that they do a decent job of
capturing the Genesis sound. That in itself is enough to make it
worthwhile for me. I'd rather listen to Unifaun over a lot of modern
stuff that comes out, nowadays.
I held off d/l-ing this myself, (and much else) until finally I got
high speed connections and listened to all the posted Unifaun songs
last night. It's too soon to say how I would ultimately regard them in
comparison to Genesis, but I can say I enjoyed them a good deal more
than the music of another 'Genesis inspired' group, The Watch, whose
cd "Primitive" I recently bought and have heard twice now.

Unifaun's music has a bouyancy and lilt that reminds me how drab and
plotting I found much of the Primitive cd. "Heavy" I guess it is meant
to be, but even heavy music needs the spark of life. I also liked
Unifaun melodically, and their ample use of harmonies (unlike The
Watch) and the fact that they even though English isn't their native
language, (they're Swedish aren't they?) they pronounce the words
correctly, (again unlike The Watch singer).
Post by Nic
But they're hardly "brilliant", especially where the lyrics are
concerned. I have my doubts about anybody really capturing the
quirkiness of PG lyrics or even the odd shadings of Tony Banks' lyrics.
Furthermore, even if the band not turned towards top 40 pop/rock
style music, I doubt that they would have continued in exactly the same
mold as Unifaun is trying to do.
So, I like Unifaun, and I'll probably get the cd when it comes out.
They're better musicians than I am (although I'm not sure that's saying
too much), and I hope they keep making music for a long time. But let's
not get too carried away, shall we?
Man
2008-04-09 22:32:09 UTC
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Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
Good question. But, Genesis could not possibly make as good of music as
they did in the 70's, compared to the band that is.... UNIFAUN. Check them
out on my space.
http://www.myspace.com/sylvanandbonamici
The album they are about to release is like the follow up to Trick of the
Tail and Wind and Wuthering, with some images from The Lamb and Selling
England without the disappointment of And Then There Were Three. This is
better than the Phil Collins lead Genesis, as much as I am sad to say it,
it is true, it is REAL!
It is RAEL!
sorry, just had to do 'it'...
Post by Nic
NC
I dunno about being 'better' than Phil-era Genesis, but I do like Unifaun
for themselves and comparisons do both them and Genesis an injustice.

*toss in two pennies*
Frank
2008-04-12 09:24:28 UTC
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LOL - never to be drifting out of sight!

bye


frank



http://tvc15.blogs.com/
BlueBuyYoo
2008-04-09 02:45:47 UTC
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Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
And Then There Were None?
Tony
2008-04-09 11:44:07 UTC
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Post by BlueBuyYoo
Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
And Then There Were None?
lol could be tho
Sal Video
2008-04-09 15:08:07 UTC
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We can only hope there won't be
Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
tony
Slubberdegullion
2008-04-12 19:08:05 UTC
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Post by Tony
Hi
So will there be anything else ?????? from the Genesis Stable
tony
No...

Too old, dont give a shit...havent for years and anyway there are sooooo
many more better bands doing it better..
brufy
2008-04-13 17:47:18 UTC
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I can't think what they'd possibly be motivated by, now,
to write songs about, now they're all so comfortably off.
The REAL Naminanu
2008-04-14 21:40:51 UTC
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Hey, Slub.



Long time........ how are you doing, buddy?

TRN
Slubberdegullion
2008-04-21 18:30:28 UTC
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Post by The REAL Naminanu
Hey, Slub.
Long time........ how are you doing, buddy?
TRN
Nam.........!

Not too bad old bean!

Every now and again I pop in to see how the natives are doing...but most
times there is only the sound of confucious and his one pin dropping...

..or something like that!

More of a LastFM, various podcasts and Myspace music listener now than
any of the NG's. Still cant abide fucking web forums
though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hows you matey?

Slub
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