Post by NewsgroupsPost by NicUm, you must mean "Ghosts" by Strawbs. "Photos of Ghosts" was P.F.M.
You're right, of course.
Still,
Post by Nicboth albums I love, though I'm getting a lot more milage out of these
Unifaun tracks than either of those two albums lately.
The attraction of novelty, perhaps?
Post by NicI bought all Strawbs releases in the 70's. I don't need to go out and get
them, I already have them.
I wasn't really addressing you. I was adding my two cents to your
recommendation to others who were looking for something to whet that old
Genesis whistle.
Problem is, I tend to only like an average of
Post by Nicmaybe two songs on each Strawbs album. Cousins' insistance to play and
sing the lion's share of the songs while surrounded by great players
always bugged me.
I thought the uninspired mediocre blues-based guitarist that kept the band
from really soaring was actually the other guy?
Today, there is no possible way that Cousins and any recent
Post by NicStrawbs line-up can do better than Unifaun.
That may be the case. I haven't heard a recent Strawbs lineup. Nor would I
recommend all old Strawbs album. Some were wholly unimpressive.
Having said that, there are many
Post by Niccollective Strawbs moments that are dear to me. It's just patchy.
It is.
Post by NicThose Genesis albums are the treasure that lead to the idea. They may be
my favorite two Genesis albums. But the feeling I get when listening to
the Unifaun tracks is really identical and I can't help but think that
this is what Genesis should have done after those albums but instead we
got And Then There Were Three and a band without a regular guitar player
without Hackett.
It's good you've found something that works for you. It does nothing at all
for me, unfortunately.
Post by NicI MUCH prefer the production value of Unifaun over And Then There Weere
Three, but we are comparing a 2007 recording to a 1977 recording. 30 years
difference.
Digital vs analog?
Post by NicAnd Then There Were Three suffered from a lot of things: No Hackett, very
little acoustic textures as was the prior trademark of Genesis, and an
over abundance or reverb and effects.
Although lack of Hackett and acoustic textures don't really fall under the
heading of production value, the production flaws with ATTW3 are well-known
and generally accepted. My opinion is that the latest Unifaun is
substantially worse.
The songs on this
Post by NicGenesis album were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record, which they got.
The songs on WCD were a lot like going through the motions and trying for a
hit record. The songs on ATTW3 were actually quite vibrant and exploratory
from a band who had never ventured into this realm before. As for hitting
that target, I'm one who wholly agrees the shaft flew well wide of the mark,
but "going through the motions" hardly describes it.
Post by NicThis was the beginning of Genesis whoring their talents out to
commercialism.
And Unifaun isn't whoring after old Genesis fans? Isn't that rather like
licking up their sloppy seconds?
Ok, I'll leave off this argument, as it's entirely unproductive. The whole
"Genesis whoring" idea is as ludicrous as it's ever been. Our favorite band
left us behind a long time ago. It's time to get over it. But that aside,
it's simply irrelevant to a side by side music comparison. They might have
all been shagging babies at the time, it won't make ATTW3 worse than
Unifaun.
Genesis ATTW3 cannot even come close to the
Post by Nicrespectful and beautiful attempt made by Unifaun to represent what Genesis
could have done if they remained with Hackett, and maybe even Gabriel.
Highlight the word "attempt." Another band's shot goes wide of the mark.
Many might argue the point of wandering about playing the role of dead
band's ghost, but even if one applauds that sort of thing, Unifaun makes a
poor ghost. The quality in songwriting and musicianship just don't hold a
candle. I'll offer that's just my opinion, of course. It's not a wrong or
right sort of discussion. I'm just that buzzkill guy in the background
telling folks "don't get your hopes up."
ATTW3
Post by Nicis one of the worst Genesis albums of the 70's,
Yes, it was. I actually prefer FGTR. But it's better than Unifaun, imho.
Post by NicUnifaun is better than anything Genesis did after W&W.
I disagree fervently. It does, however, use sounds that Genesis largely
abandoned after Wind.
I love Genesis, and I find great moments from all the records,
Post by Nicbut Unifaun should be appreciated because they are doing adventurous music
and risky too, while Genesis is doing nothing but playing live for the
first time in a decade and a half.
This argument boils down to "Unifaun is good because Genesis isn't giving us
what we want." Unifaun isn't any better for Genesis being a bunch of tired
old men.
Post by Nicps Genesis couldn't out-do Unifaun? <chortle> "Wouldn't bother" is, I
think, more to the point, unfortunately.
Invisible Touch?
I don't bother either. Get over your bias and just listen to good music.
Eh? Not sure what you're getting at. I don't even own Invisible Touch. I
used to have a copy for completion sake, but somebody stole it, along with
Face Value, back in about 1988. I've bothered to replace neither. But
they're both better than Unifaun.
You
Post by Nicmight enjoy it. Give it a chance.
I listened to all the pieces they had posted on that myspace page you
mentioned. My reaction is as I have described.
I have nothing to gain by trumpeting
Of course not. You want to share your joy, and that's admirable. I'm
sharing my lack of joy over the same issue. I don't know if that's
admirable, but it's at least informative.
I stumbled upon them on myspace, and I am simply blown away
Post by Nicand want to share it.
Of course. But if you're just coming to Unifaun, I'm wondering if this
music will have any staying power with you. Listen to them over and over
the way you did Trick when you first got it, then come back in six months
and tell me if it holds up.
It's great to listen to "Cinema Show" or the "Musical
Post by NicBox" or even "Mama", but, if there is a band adding new music to this
world that Genesis fans might embrace, then why not compliment it?
I surely would, were it worthy of such. I can compliment the effort. Just
not the result.
But then, you
Post by Niccould always ignore it and just limit yourself to Abacab.
Thanks for the chuckle, Nicky. There's another shaft gone wide. (and not
in a good way... ar ar ar)
Jim
Mike Rutherford is a guitar player. And on the road they were