(a.m.y.-OT) Bony Tanks

[progea]

Cross-posted on a.m.y. for Rob Allen, who often follows BillBoard and
thereby makes useful observations, and also for reasons that were
discussed when there was a crosspost about Phil's back condition:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/music_nm/us_genesis

[Mike Smith]

Post by progea
Cross-posted on a.m.y. for Rob Allen, who often follows BillBoard and
thereby makes useful observations, and also for reasons that were
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/music_nm/us_genesis

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does someone need money, perhaps?

--
Mike Smith

[Mark Rae]

Post by progea
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/music_nm/us_genesis

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road. Does
someone need money, perhaps?

Tony *certainly* doesn't!

Steve, however...

[r***@aol.com]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by progea
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/music_nm/us_genesis

Hm. �Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road. Does
someone need money, perhaps?

Tony *certainly* doesn't!
Steve, however...

with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.


Rob Allen
NP: Marillion, "Garden Party"

[Mark Rae]

Post by r***@aol.com

Post by Mark Rae

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does
someone need money, perhaps?

Tony *certainly* doesn't!
Steve, however...

with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.

Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
examining...

Post by r***@aol.com
NP: Marillion, "Garden Party"

Jesus Christ! Why, for God's sake? Why?

[r***@aol.com]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by r***@aol.com

Post by Mark Rae

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does
someone need money, perhaps?

Tony *certainly* doesn't!
Steve, however...

with Kim Poor chasing what she sees as her share of their money, I'm
sure Hackett is feeling a little bit poor these days.

Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
examining...

it would be a *very* short examination...maybe just a drive-by.
Chuckles is *obviously* moron and any good head doctor would spot that
at a glance.

Post by Mark Rae

Post by r***@aol.com
NP: �Marillion, "Garden Party"

Jesus Christ! Why, for God's sake? Why?

lessee...I like Marillion, love that song...and it just happened to be
come up on the shuffle as I was doing that post.


Rob Allen
NP: Natalie Merchant, "Wonder"

[Chuck]

Post by Mark Rae
Indeed. Whoever it was recently who said that the members of Genesis made
great contractual decisions back in the 70s clearly needs his head
examining...

It was solely based on comments over the years from multiple members
about steady income from "back sales" of records. I'm sure they have
all made wise and unwise financial moves. Steve's corporate agreement
back when with his now ex-wife has come back to burn him financially,
and thus was obviously not a wise "contractual decision".
Didn't John Mayhew received 160K just for drumming on the esoteric
'Tresspass' when he finally came out of hiding and before his
passing?
Roger Waters has said that members of PF were paid a flat fee for
DSoTM and never a dime more. Considering it is one of the biggest
selling records in rock history, in retrospect.... *that* was a bad
contractual decision! Genesis may very well have made similar mistakes
with contracts.
CB
"Does earth plug a hole in heaven, or heaven plug a hole in earth?"

[Chuck]

Hm. �Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does someone need money, perhaps?
--
Mike Smith

The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
very well off - in the scheme of legendary rockers, perhaps only a
couple of million in assets *is* "short of cash". They must have made
some great contractual decisions back in the 70's re: back sales, etc.
Reunion - aint gonna happen, even if Phil was / is OK. PG just has
something against it.

CB
Angels never know its time, to close the book and gracefully decline"

[Relayer]

Post by Chuck

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does someone need money, perhaps?
--
Mike Smith

The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
very well off - in the scheme of legendary rockers, perhaps only a
couple of million in assets *is* "short of cash". They must have made
some great contractual decisions back in the 70's re: back sales, etc.
Reunion - aint gonna happen, even if Phil was / is OK. PG just has
something against it.
CB
Angels never know its time, to close the book and gracefully decline"

Well, for those of us that remember the breakup, it wasn't all that
happy.

[Chuck]

Post by Relayer
Well, for those of us that remember the breakup, it wasn't all that
happy.-

Steve's or PG's departure? Steve's was definitely the harsher of the
two exits, IMO. Seem's Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input. I'm a huge PG fan, but the quality of material really
dropped post Steve, IMO... whereas post PG, they still made two great
records (three if you include 'Seconds Out').

CB
"I will make my bed with her tonight, he cried"

[Mark Rae]

[Seem's] Seems Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input.

Again, that is completely incorrect. By the time the band reconvened to work
on ATotT, Tony was crying out for contributions from the others. He
considered that the first post-PG album was absolutely make or break - if it
wasn't at least a critical success, then it really would have been curtains
for the band. They were already seriously in debt to Charisma at the time,
and even Strat's patience was wearing thin, not to mention his pockets...
Tony complained that he'd spent the last six months writing for the new
album while the others had been "swanning off" working on Steve's solo
album.

So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

[Chuck]

Post by Mark Rae
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

It's been a very long time since I've read Armando Gallo's book
'IKWIL'.
"Steve had witten a lot of material for Wind and Wuthering and he felt
that most of it wasn't used, or what was used was underused." p 107.
Having remembered a statement like that, I had thought Tony was the
primary block in the use of more of his material. Thnx for the
clarification. I am not a huge fan of 'Please Don't Touch', so perhaps
Phils intuition in this case was correct.

CB
"It's the last time you'll look like today"

[r***@aol.com]

Post by Chuck

Post by Mark Rae
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

It's been a very long time since I've read Armando Gallo's book
'IKWIL'.
"Steve had witten a lot of material for Wind and Wuthering and he felt
that most of it wasn't used, or what was used was underused." p 107.
Having remembered a statement like that, I had thought Tony was the
primary block in the use of more of his material. Thnx for the
clarification. I am not a huge fan of 'Please Don't Touch', so perhaps
Phils intuition in this case was correct.

<snort>

classic moron...Chuckles doesn't like it, so Phil might have been
right.

Will this guy *ever* realize himself?


Rob Allen
NP: Mike Rutherford, "Acting Very Strange"

[Mark Rae]

Post by r***@aol.com
Will this guy *ever* realize himself?

Unlikely. He probably thinks that Steve and Tony really did hate each
other...

[Chuck]

Post by Mark Rae
He probably thinks that Steve and Tony really did hate each
other...

Nope, never been even a thread of "hate" between the members of
Genesis, IMO... then or now. They all seem quite close even after 40
years - many bands can not claim as much. Pink Floyd comes to mind -
Roger Waters and David Gilmour... now *that* sadly is an example of
muscians that "hate" each other.

CB
"If this were the last day of your life my friend, tell me what do you
think you would do then"?

[Steve Turner]

Post by Mark Rae

[Seem's] Seems Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input.

Again, that is completely incorrect. By the time the band reconvened to
work on ATotT, Tony was crying out for contributions from the others. He
considered that the first post-PG album was absolutely make or break -
if it wasn't at least a critical success, then it really would have been
curtains for the band. They were already seriously in debt to Charisma
at the time, and even Strat's patience was wearing thin, not to mention
his pockets... Tony complained that he'd spent the last six months
writing for the new album while the others had been "swanning off"
working on Steve's solo album.
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil,
not Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't
Touch", because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that
really was the last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never done anything for
me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life* had he been able to "get into it".
That said, it doesn't really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.

[Chuck]

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Mark Rae
notably "Please Don't
Touch", because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that
really was the last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never done anything for
me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life* had he been able to "get into it".
That said, it doesn't really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. �It just doesn't fit somehow.

I have always wished that some of the stronger material from 'Voyage
of the Acolyte' became Genesis music... would have been interesting to
hear it with Tony's input.

CB

[Mark Rae]

Post by Steve Turner
I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never
done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life*
had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't really strike me
as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.

The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...

[Steve Turner]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Steve Turner
I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has
never done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it
some *life* had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't
really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.

The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...

Yeah, I'd like to hear that.

[Mark Rae]

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Steve Turner
I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has never
done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it some *life*
had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't really strike
me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.

The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...

Yeah, I'd like to hear that.

Available in the usual places from the usual traders...

[Steve Turner]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Steve Turner
I've mentioned before that Chester's contribution to that song has
never done anything for me, and I think Phil really could given it
some *life* had he been able to "get into it". That said, it doesn't
really strike me as being a "Genesis" song. It just doesn't fit somehow.

The boot of Genesis rehearsing it sounds pretty good, IMO...

Yeah, I'd like to hear that.

Available in the usual places from the usual traders...

And as usual, I'm in the dark regarding all that... :-)

[Mark Rae]

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Mark Rae
Available in the usual places from the usual traders...

And as usual, I'm in the dark regarding all that... :-)

http://tinyurl.com/yapoa8z

[Steve Turner]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Mark Rae
Available in the usual places from the usual traders...

And as usual, I'm in the dark regarding all that... :-)

http://tinyurl.com/yapoa8z

You really enjoy being a smartass, don't you? :-)

You've mentioned Genesis boots in the past, but in such a way as to imply that said traders
were not operating "out in the open", and I just presumed that you knew of some sources I
wouldn't expect to find by searching on Google.

[progea]

Post by Mark Rae

[Seem's] Seems Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input.

Again, that is completely incorrect. By the time the band reconvened to work
on ATotT, Tony was crying out for contributions from the others. He
considered that the first post-PG album was absolutely make or break - if it
wasn't at least a critical success, then it really would have been curtains
for the band. They were already seriously in debt to Charisma at the time,
and even Strat's patience was wearing thin, not to mention his pockets...
Tony complained that he'd spent the last six months writing for the new
album while the others had been "swanning off" working on Steve's solo
album.
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically Phil, not
Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't Touch",
because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really was the
last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

Strange enough, then, how "Blood on the Rooftops" is credited to
Hackett/Collins. I guess Phil's is just the chorus, which, of course,
is not the strongest part of that song.

[Chuck]

Post by progea
Strange enough, then, how "Blood on the Rooftops" is credited to
Hackett/Collins. I guess Phil's is just the chorus, which, of course,
is not the strongest part of that song.- Hide quoted text -

Perhaps my favorite track on the record. Phil was not (obviously)
against all of Steve's material. Speaking of that period; "A lot of
Steve's stuff was great...<however> some material has to wait for its
time.. Steve could have been more elastic... he should have just done
another solo album, and get his writing frustrations out that way" -
Phil Collins. 'IKWIL' p.107.
I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
record.

CB
"Staying up late to watch some debate on some nations fate"

[progea]

Post by Chuck
I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
record.

With him still around, not only it would have had a different title
but also it would have been a better album. "Burning Rope" probably
comes closest to Hackettlessly mimicking a Genesis-with-Hackett-still-
in song/album. Post-Hackett Genesis material is not bad but is not on
par with the pre-'77 material.

[Chuck]

Post by progea

Post by Chuck
I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if Steve
was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
record.

With him still around, not only it would have had a different title
but also it would have been a better album. "Burning Rope" probably
comes closest to Hackettlessly mimicking a Genesis-with-Hackett-still-
in song/album.

BR was exactly the song that stood out the most to me as well. His
guitar sound would have enhanced that song nicely.
Good call and cheers!
CB
"Don't live today for tomorrow like, you were immortal"

[Godolphin&fellow]

Post by Chuck

Hm. Someone seems pretty excited about getting back out on the road.
Does someone need money, perhaps?
--
Mike Smith

The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
very well off - ...

Must have surprised a few members when Steve's first solo albums
charted as well as they did! If VotA had sunk without a blip he might
have lacked the courage to abandon the mothership. Wonder if he would
have been able to forestall the move toward pop...

[Mark Rae]

Post by Godolphin&fellow

Post by Chuck
The only one of the classic five that may be a little "short of cash"
is Steve Hackett. However, from all reports I have read, even he is
very well off - ...

Must have surprised a few members when Steve's first solo albums
charted as well as they did!

Only Defector made it into the Top 10. Cured and Highly Strung made the Top
20:

Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
Please Don't Touch, 38
Spectral Mornings, 22
Defector, 9
Cured, 15
Highly Strung, 16
Bay of Kings, 70
Till We Have Faces, 54

None of the others even made the top 75...

[Chuck]

Post by Mark Rae
Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
Please Don't Touch, 38
Spectral Mornings, 22
Defector, 9
Cured, 15
Highly Strung, 16
Bay of Kings, 70
Till We Have Faces, 54
None of the others even made the top 75...

I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?
Thnx
CB

[Mark Rae]

Post by Chuck
I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?

I quite like it, and its predecessor Darktown. There are parts of it which
would not have sounded out of place on Voyage of the Acolyte or Spectral
Mornings.

Roger King is a great keyboard player but, IMO, he's not in the same class
as Nick Magnus.

It's only a few quid from Amazon - how bad could it be...?

[Chuck]

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Chuck
I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?

I quite like it, and its predecessor Darktown. There are parts of it which
would not have sounded out of place on Voyage of the Acolyte or Spectral
Mornings.

I like VotA and SM's, so I'm going to pick it up!
Thanx again

CB

[Godolphin&fellow]

Post by Chuck

Post by Mark Rae

Post by Chuck
I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?

I quite like it, and its predecessor Darktown. There are parts of it which
would not have sounded out of place on Voyage of the Acolyte or Spectral
Mornings.

I like VotA and SM's, so I'm going to pick it up!
Thanx again

Then there's 'Metamorpheus', which is Steve on only classical guitar
accompanied by a 'small orchestra,' giving a lucid (along with the
notes) depiction of the Orpheus myth. It garnered "Classical
Recording of the Month" in some magazine (not sure which)... a much
better reception it seems than Tony Banks "Seven". It's among my
personal favorites of the last few years.

After that came 'Wild Orchids', which does seem a small step down from
his last several releases. ... As far as his last two, I haven't heard
at all... seems they are only available 'state side' as expensive
imports. Why the change after all?

[running dog]

Post by Chuck
I have a friend who raves about Steve's; 'To Watch the Storms', from
2003. I have not heard it yet. Do you (or anyone else) have feedback
on that work?
Thnx

It's a great cd, I bought the version with the extra tracks and the little
book that goes with it. If you're a Hackett fan you won't be disappointed.
The Darktown cd is even better, the song about driving in the rain is a
great song, so is Rise Again, and In Memoriam.
And the overture kicks ass

[Mike Smith]

Post by Mark Rae
Only Defector made it into the Top 10. Cured and Highly Strung made the
Voyage of the Acolyte, 26
Please Don't Touch, 38
Spectral Mornings, 22
Defector, 9
Cured, 15
Highly Strung, 16
Bay of Kings, 70
Till We Have Faces, 54
None of the others even made the top 75...

I dunno, for a non-frontman of a not-very-pop band going solo, that
looks like a pretty good track record to me! Imagine if Howe or Squire
had a chart history like that...

--
Mike Smith

[noauth]

Post by progea

news:5d4e4688-aa45-47e5-8e9f-

[Seem's] Seems Tony was just not too interested in Steve's new
material input.

Again, that is completely incorrect. By the time the band

reconvened to work

Post by progea

on ATotT, Tony was crying out for contributions from the others. He
considered that the first post-PG album was absolutely make or

break - if it

Post by progea

wasn't at least a critical success, then it really would have been

curtains

Post by progea

for the band. They were already seriously in debt to Charisma at

the time,

Post by progea

and even Strat's patience was wearing thin, not to mention his

pockets...

Post by progea

Tony complained that he'd spent the last six months writing for the

new

Post by progea

album while the others had been "swanning off" working on Steve's

solo

Post by progea

album.
So, the others dutifully obliged for W&W but it was specifically

Phil, not

Post by progea

Tony, who blocked most of Steve's input, notably "Please Don't

Touch",

Post by progea

because he "couldn't get into it". According to Steve, that really

was the

Post by progea

last straw and he never wrote anything for Genesis again...

Strange enough, then, how "Blood on the Rooftops" is credited to
Hackett/Collins. I guess Phil's is just the chorus, which, of course,
is not the strongest part of that song.

But who really gives a shit what you say? You post the most stupid
drivel I have ever read. Go back to stalking Raja you fucking faggot.

[noauth]

Post by progea

Post by Chuck
I believe ATTW3 would have been as good as 'Trick' and 'Wind' if

Steve

Post by progea

Post by Chuck
was still around. He is still sorely missed when I listen to that
record.

With him still around, not only it would have had a different title
but also it would have been a better album. "Burning Rope" probably
comes closest to Hackettlessly mimicking a Genesis-with-Hackett-still-
in song/album. Post-Hackett Genesis material is not bad but is not on
par with the pre-'77 material.

With you still around, this group has gone decidedly downhill. Why not
take your thoughts to a group more suited to your interests:
alt.faggots